Based on clear photos, the models can mostly be well determined: in the specific case, it is two Montblanc Meisterstück 163 rollerballs with a Sienna leather case as well as a school fountain pen which, according to information from Montblanc, is the model 422 from the Classic product family and was led between 1977 and 1984 (shop price 1984: 21 DM). For reliable identification, a look at the model overview on fountainpen.de and in case of doubt a direct enquiry to Montblanc customer service with photo are worthwhile. With forum entries, meaningful pictures in sufficient resolution should be supplied in order to avoid suppositions.