Bordeaux Montblancs have existed since the 1920s; the 164 Meisterstück ballpoint, however, has only been made since the mid-80s and with numerous detail changes. The Meisterstück Classique series in Bordeaux is still available, while the Meisterstück LeGrand in Bordeaux was discontinued two years ago and the Mozart in Bordeaux the previous year. The box in question is authentic but was likely used more than 20 years ago. A 164 without an engraved clip-ring number in this old box is plausible; pieces with a number are, on the other hand, younger than about five years. Some dealers voluntarily forgo stocking but accept orders.