A reliable model determination is not possible without meaningful pictures; descriptions and comparisons with the model pictures on the homepage, however, help with prior assignment. For value determination of relatively young writing instruments, forums are not the right place; the real market value is most likely ascertained by an eBay auction with a starting price of 1 euro, since higher starting prices experience-shows lead to lower closing prices. As a guideline, a Meisterstück 164 including papers and original packaging was sold on eBay for 135 euros; a LeGrand ballpoint typically lies at 180 to 200 euros. Prerequisites are good photos and a correct description based on the model specifications.