Montblanc Vintage 1908–1929 Safety pens of the 1920s: sizes 00 to 12, round and octagonal
Described on this page
Main-line safety pens of the 1920s — sizes 00 to 12, round (1920–1930) and from 1924 octagonal, black, red ripple or coral red
There are photos of sizes 0, 2, 4, 6, 8 and 12, of octagonal pens in sizes 4 and 6 and of red ripple pens in sizes 0 and 4; pens with metal and enamel overlays are shown on the page safety pens with overlays.
Key facts
- Filling system
- safety pen: filled with a pipette, nib turned out and retracted by turning the end of the barrel; silver pin in the cap1
- Production
- round 1920–1930 (12 from 1922, 5 until 1925, 10 only 1927–1928); octagonal 1924–1930; the Diary partly gives other dates2
- Sizes
- 00 to 12 — k = short, lg = long; the size is stamped on the end of the barrel and on the nib; collectors call the 00 the “Baby”3
- Cap
- round cap top with an inlaid white star, “MONT BLANC” with the mountain; no clip from the factory, mostly no cap ring4
- Nib
- 14 ct gold nib with heart-shaped breather hole and the size in the star; 18 ct for France5
- Dimensions
- 00: 8.5 cm, Ø 0.7 cm · 0: 13.2 cm, Ø 0.9 cm · 1: 15.5 cm, Ø 1.1 cm · 2: 17.5 cm, Ø 1.2 cm · 4: 16.7 cm, Ø 1.3 cm · 6: 17.5 cm, Ø 1.4 cm · 8: 20.0 cm, Ø 1.5 cm · 12: 22.2 cm, Ø 1.85 cm (with the cap posted)6
- Colours
- black; according to volume I all black pens also in red ripple or coral red until 19327
- Versions
- 44 entries — see table
Not to be confused with
Safety pens with overlays8
The same sizes with overlays of silver, gold, gold-filled metal, enamel, Tula silver or Toledo work.
Meisterstück as a safety pen9
From 1924 the numbers 20 to 45 with “Meisterstück” on the cap and a lifetime guarantee.
Safety pens before 192010
White cap top (1910–1914), cap top and turning knob with horizontal grooves (1914–1920) and Rouge et Noir with a red cap top.
Safety pens from 193011
New numbers 12.5 to 19.75, then A, B, C and 201 to 306.
Astoria12
Safety pens of the same design from the Hamburg firm founded in 1921 and taken over in 1932 by Simplo (Montblanc-Simplo from 1934).
See Astoria
Heritage Rouge et Noir “Baby”13
Present-day cartridge pens of 2022 modelled on the small pens, without a clip.
See Heritage
Sources and notes
- “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide” (description of the mechanism).
- “Collectible Stars” I; Diary (chronology 1924; guide: Safety Fillers and Octagonal Safety Fillers).
- “Collectible Stars” I (Baby in a leather pouch, 1924); Diary (guide: Precious Metal Fountain Pens); forum post of 30 March 2005; forum post of 26 June 2018.
- “Collectible Stars” I (star 1913/1914) (clips as accessories) and (1 k with cap ring); Diary (guide: Safety Fillers); photos on the pages of this website.
- “Collectible Stars” I; Diary (guide: Nibs 1908–1947); 18 ct for France: forum post of 26 February 2005.
- “Collectible Stars” I; length ±0.4 mm, diameter ±0.05 mm; measured with the cap posted as in the collectiblestars.com database.
- “Collectible Stars” I, footnote on; Diary (guide: Safety Fillers).
- “Collectible Stars” I.
- “Collectible Stars” I.
- “Collectible Stars” I; Diary (guide: Early Montblanc Fountain Pens 1908–1920).
- “Collectible Stars” I.
- “Collectible Stars” I; Diary (chronology and chapter on the post-war years).
- Heritage page of this website (Heritage Rouge et Noir “Baby”, 2022).
In the 1920s the safety pen was Montblanc’s main filling system. It was made from 1908 to 1939
How it works
The pen is filled upright with a pipette. For writing, the nib is turned out with the knob at the end of the barrel, and afterwards it is retracted again. With the cap screwed on, the pen is sealed. This is described in detail on the page safety pens of the 1930s.
How to recognise the pens
- black hard rubber (according to the collectiblestars.com database), round, without a clip and mostly without a cap ring — volume I lists just one black 1 k with a rolled-gold cap ring
- in the round cap top the white star, which the firm — then the Simplo Filler Pen Co. — registered as a trademark in 1913 and put on the cap from 1914
- on the cap “MONT BLANC”, in the photos on this website with the mountain between the words, on the barrel “ORIGINAL SIMPLO MONTBLANC”
- at the end of the barrel the stamped size number, on the opposite side the nib grade
Sizes
Until 1930 the safety pens carried simple size numbers, which also appeared on the nib. Many sizes came in three lengths: short (k), standard and long (lg)
- 00 and 00 lg — the smallest pen, 8.5 cm long and 0.7 cm in diameter
- 0
- 1 k, 1 and 1 lg
- 2 k, 2 and 2 lg
- 4 and 4 lg
- 5, only until 1925
- 6 and 6 lg
- 7 and 8
- 10, only in 1927–1928
- 12, only from 1922 — the largest pen, 22.2 cm long and 1.85 cm in diameter
All sizes with their dimensions and production years are listed in the table below.
Collectors call the smallest pen, the 00, the “Baby”. Volume I shows a Baby of 1924 in a leather pouch and an advertisement of 1925 in which a large curtain store gave its customers a Montblanc “Baby” — meant, as the advertisement put it, for the handbag of the elegant lady. The 0 is the second-smallest size (forum post of 26 June 2018). According to a forum post of 19 October 2009, Babys existed not only as safety pens but also as eyedropper fillers.
A note on photos: because the proportions stayed similar across all sizes, the size cannot be determined reliably without a scale (forum post of 30 March 2005).
Octagonal pens (from 1924)
In 1924 the octagonal safety pen was added
- the 2 k, the 2 and the 4 from 1924 to 1930
- the 1 k and the 1 lg until 1927
- the 4 lg and the 6 until 1928
- the 2 lg and the 6 lg only until 1926
- a 1 from 1928 to 1930
In 1930 the octagonal pens, like the round ones, were given new numbers (safety pens of the 1930s). Photos are on the pages No. 4 octagonal and No. 6 octagonal; octagonal pens with metal overlays are on the page safety pens with overlays.
Colours and special versions
According to volume I all black pens were also available in red ripple or coral red until 1932; the Diary mentions coral red and red and black marbled. Specifically, volume I lists a coral red 00 and 8 — the coral red 8, at 20.8 cm and 1.65 cm in diameter, is larger than the black one.
In red ripple the book lists the 00 lg, the 0 without a star in the cap top, the 1 k, the 12 and the octagonal 4 and 4 lg. There are also a few special pieces:
- a 2 k with an ink blotter in the cap, 1920–1930 according to volume I
- a black 6 with a rose pattern, probably a prototype according to volume I
- the 4 with the carbon-copy nib “314”
According to volume I this nib for carbon copies existed from 1922 to 1934 in sizes 2, 4 and 6. The Diary shows it on a 2 lg and a 4 lg, together with a 4 lg with a nib for writing music and a cutaway No. 2 of about 1919. Red ripple pens are shown on the pages No. 0 and No. 4.
Nibs and clips
The nibs were of 14-carat gold, for France of 18-carat gold. Until 1925 they carried “SIMPLO” and the size in the star; from 1924 they carried “14CARAT” or “MONTBLANC … 14 CT HAMBURG”, and nibs for export “MONTBLANC TRADE MARK”
The pens had no clip from the factory. Clips were sold as accessories and pushed onto the cap; in Germany this was often a silver snake. According to volume I there is no evidence that Montblanc itself sold snake clips: they appear in no Montblanc catalogue, but they do appear in the Astoria catalogue of 1928. A Fountain Pen Network post of 22 January 2017 also says that the pens of these years came without a clip and that push-on clips such as the snake were bought separately.
According to volume I the first fixed clips were riveted on, and soon afterwards the screwed-in cap top held the clip by a ring. In its overview of the clips from 1927 to 1952, however, the book calls the inserted ball clip of 1927–1930 Montblanc’s first fixed clip
The architect’s pen
A special form for draughtsmen was the architect’s pen: a ruling pen with adjustable blades, fed with ink from a piston in the barrel. The firm — then the Simplo Füllfeder-Gesellschaft, Montblanc-Simplo only from 1934 — applied for a patent on it in 1924. It was not advertised; Montblanc made it only to the order of individual customers, and there were various versions
A complete pen with its box, instructions and a needle for cleaning survives (forum post (Fountain Pen Network) of 8 September 2010).
Alongside and before
- from 1922 lever fillers in similar sizes — lever, compressor and pump fillers
- from 1924 the Meisterstück safety pens numbered 20 to 45 with a lifetime guarantee — Meisterstück as a safety pen
- before 1920 safety pens at first with a white cap top, from 1914 with a cap top and turning knob with horizontal grooves — early safety pens
- pens with the brand Rouge et Noir, which according to the Diary could still carry a red star until 1921 in Germany and until 1923 in Italy — Rouge et Noir
- very similar: the safety pens of Astoria, the firm founded in Hamburg in 1921 by the former production manager Illgner and taken over in 1932 by Simplo (Montblanc-Simplo from 1934)
— Astoria - likewise the dealer brands and sub-brands made by Montblanc — third-party and dealer brands
In 1930 the common sizes were given new numbers: the 1 became the 12.5, the 2 the 15, the 4 the 17.5 and the 6 the 19.75. The shape did not change
All versions 1920–1930 44 entries
Each version has its own row. A dash (—) marks missing information. “Photos” links to a page of this website or to an individual pen at penboard (↗, opens in a new tab).
Fountain pens 44 entries
| No. | Years | Type | Version | Filling system · nib | Source | Photos |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 00 | 1920–1928 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 8.50 cm, Ø 0.70 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 00 | 1920–1928 | Fountain pen | coral reddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 8.50 cm, Ø 0.70 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 00 lg | 1920–1928 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 11.10 cm, Ø 0.70 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 00 lg | 1920–1928 | Fountain pen | red rippledimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 11.10 cm, Ø 0.70 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 0 | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 13.20 cm, Ø 0.90 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 0 | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | red rippleno star in the cap top; dimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 13.20 cm, Ø 0.90 cm; a pen with a white star in the cap top and a “SIMPLO” nib is shown on this website | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; page of this website | own photos |
| 1 k | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 13.80 cm, Ø 1.10 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 1 k | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | red rippledimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 13.80 cm, Ø 1.10 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 1 | 1920–1929 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 15.50 cm, Ø 1.10 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 1 lg | 1920–1929 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 17.40 cm, Ø 1.10 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 1 k | 1924–1927 | Fountain pen | black, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 13.70 cm, Ø 1.10 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 1 lg | 1924–1927 | Fountain pen | black, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 17.20 cm, Ø 1.10 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 1 | 1928–1930 | Fountain pen | black, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 16.00 cm, Ø 1.10 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 2 k | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 15.30 cm, Ø 1.20 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 2 | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 17.50 cm, Ø 1.20 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | own photos |
| 2 k | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | blackink blotter built into the cap; dimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 17.50 cm, Ø 1.40 cm; a prototype of about 1927 according to the Diary | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide” | — |
| 2 lg | 1920–1929 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 19.00 cm, Ø 1.20 cm; the Diary gives 1921–1929 | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide” | — |
| 2 lg | 1920–1929 | Fountain pen | black, with carbon-copy nibaccording to the Diary; according to volume I carbon-copy nibs “314” existed from 1922 to 1934 in sizes 2, 4 and 6 | safety pen | “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide”; “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 2 k | 1924–1930 | Fountain pen | black, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 16.20 cm, Ø 1.20 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 2 | 1924–1930 | Fountain pen | black, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 16.90 cm, Ø 1.20 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 2 lg | 1924–1926 | Fountain pen | black, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 19.00 cm, Ø 1.20 cm; the Diary gives 1924–1928 | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide” | — |
| 4 | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 16.70 cm, Ø 1.30 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 4/314 | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 16.70 cm, Ø 1.30 cm | safety pen carbon copy nib 314 | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 4 lg | 1920–1929 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 19.20 cm, Ø 1.25 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 4 | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | red ripple, roundindividually volume I lists the No. 4 in red ripple only as octagonal; according to its footnote all black pens were also possible in red ripple or coral red until 1932; years and dimensions as for the black No. 4: 16.70 cm, Ø 1.30 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; page of this website | own photos |
| 4 lg | 1920–1929 | Fountain pen | black, with carbon-copy nibaccording to the Diary; volume I lists the 4 with carbon-copy nib “314” in standard length | safety pen | “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide” | — |
| 4 lg | 1920–1929 | Fountain pen | black, with music nibaccording to the Diary; the collectiblestars.com database also lists a 4 lg with a special nib for writing music | safety pen | “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide”; collectiblestars.com | — |
| 4 | 1924–1930 | Fountain pen | black, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 16.60 cm, Ø 1.30 cm; the Diary gives 1924–1929 | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide” | own photos |
| 4 | 1924–1930 | Fountain pen | red ripple, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 16.60 cm, Ø 1.30 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 4 lg | 1924–1928 | Fountain pen | black, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 19.00 cm, Ø 1.30 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 4 lg | 1924–1930 | Fountain pen | red ripple, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 19.00 cm, Ø 1.30 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 5 | 1920–1925 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 19.20 cm, Ø 1.30 cm; the Diary gives 1920–1924 | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide” | — |
| 6 | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 17.50 cm, Ø 1.40 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 6 | 1920–1930 | Fountain pen | blackrose pattern, probably a prototype; dimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 17.50 cm, Ø 1.40 cm; the Diary dates it to about 1928–1929 | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide” | — |
| 6 lg | 1920–1928 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 19.20 cm, Ø 1.40 cm; the Diary gives 1925–1928; the pen on this website has a push-on clip with the Montblanc emblem | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide”; page of this website | own photos |
| 6 | 1924–1928 | Fountain pen | black, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 17.60 cm, Ø 1.40 cm; the Diary gives 1924–1929 | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide” | own photos |
| 6 lg | 1924–1926 | Fountain pen | black, 8-sideddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 19.30 cm, Ø 1.40 cm; the Diary gives 1924–1928 | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide” | — |
| 7 | 1920–1928 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 19.70 cm, Ø 1.40 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 8 | 1920–1928 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 20.00 cm, Ø 1.50 cm; the page also shows a pen in the size of the No. 10 with a size 8 nib | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; page of this website | own photos |
| 8 | 1920–1928 | Fountain pen | coral reddimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 20.80 cm, Ø 1.65 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 10 | 1927–1928 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 20.00 cm, Ø 1.70 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| 12 | 1922–1928 | Fountain pen | blackdimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 22.20 cm, Ø 1.85 cm; the Diary gives 1920–1928; the pen on this website has a push-on snake clip — according to volume I it is not documented that Montblanc sold snake clips | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I; “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide”; page of this website | own photos |
| 12 | 1922–1928 | Fountain pen | red rippledimensions according to “Collectible Stars” I: 22.20 cm, Ø 1.85 cm | safety pen | “Collectible Stars” I | — |
| — | patent applied for in 1924, made to order in the 1920s | Fountain pen | architect’s pen: ruling pen with adjustable blades and piston filling in the barrel of a safety pennot advertised, made only for individual customers, in various versions (“Collectible Stars” I); a complete pen with box, instructions and cleaning needle survives | piston filler | “Collectible Stars” I; Fountain Pen Network | — |
Sources
Facts from the following sources: “Collectible Stars” volumes I and II (Rösler/Wallrafen), “The Montblanc Diary & Collectors Guide”, “Meisterstücke for the art of writing”, the collectiblestars.com database, maxpens.de, forum posts in the archive of this website, in the Penexchange forum and on the Fountain Pen Network, individual pens at penboard (only as a link to photos) and the pages of this website.
This page gives no values or prices — neither original shop prices nor current offers.
Literature
- aJens Rösler: “The Montblanc Diary & Collector’s Guide”. Christians Verlag, Hamburg 1993. ISBN 3-7672-1174-2. On this website “Diary” for short. more about the book ›
- bJens Rösler, Stefan Wallrafen: “Collectible Stars I — MONTBLANC 1908–1947”. 2014. ISBN 978-3-00-044233-9. On this website “Collectible Stars” volume I. more about the book ›